View Full Version : Two year old killed by airgun.
Whatada
03-05-2005, 05:24 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 68,00.html (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1511368,00.html)
Fucking-A.. annoy:
Heard about it on friday, sad annoy:
HeadUp
03-05-2005, 05:29 PM
that sucks
i hope i dont kill anyone with my airsoft
ninty
03-05-2005, 05:29 PM
sad indeed
why are people attacking firefighters? is this some scottish thing I don't know about?
[quote:5bc70]A civil engineer was jailed yesterday for two years and nine months for firing an air rifle at a couple. Graham Pickersgill, 35, of Adventurers’ Quay, Cardiff Bay, was hosting a party when he heard Helen Green and Andrew Sage arguing in the street. Both were hit with pellets.[/quote:5bc70]
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sad indeed
why are people attacking firefighters? is this some scottish thing I don't know about?
Same thing was happening over here with paramedics, seems to have stopped now though. stupid:
Mr.Buttocks
03-05-2005, 06:20 PM
why are people attacking firefighters? is this some scottish thing I don't know about?
Placing fake calls to the emergency services and then attacking them with bricks/golfballs/airguns/javelins is considered a "hobby" by the scum element over here. If I had my way I'd round them all up and crash planes onto them.
I hope the guy that shot the child gets locked up for life, but I'd put money on him getting 10 years max.
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Mr.Buttocks
03-05-2005, 06:22 PM
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be.....
The guy was 27. oOo:
Judas
03-05-2005, 06:23 PM
[quote=ninty9]
why are people attacking firefighters? is this some scottish thing I don't know about?
javelins[/quote:93db9]
shitty, but i cant help laughing at that ^
[quote=Pyro]Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be.....
The guy was 27. oOo:[/quote:259ee]
give him life then.
Himmler
03-05-2005, 06:37 PM
that sucks
i hope i dont kill anyone with my airsoft
its almost impossible to KILL someone with an airsoft gun. he got killed by a pellet which is a metal object bigger than a 6mm bb. metal pellet > plastic bb by far
Arkan
03-05-2005, 07:37 PM
Thats a real heartbreaker. All i can think about is my lil' guy. When some of you fuckers have kids of your own, you'll undestand that reading the news can sometimes be tough.
@rkley
03-06-2005, 06:59 AM
RIP...When that bloke goes to prison he'll get tortured for killing a kid.
[DAS REICH] Blitz
03-06-2005, 07:55 AM
[quote=ninty9]
why are people attacking firefighters? is this some scottish thing I don't know about?
Placing fake calls to the emergency services and then attacking them with bricks/golfballs/airguns/javelins is considered a "hobby" by the scum element over here. If I had my way I'd round them all up and crash planes onto them.
I hope the guy that shot the child gets locked up for life, but I'd put money on him getting 10 years max.[/quote:10a7d]RIP to the wee boy annoy:
On another note: Seeing a firefighter getting hit with a javelin/golfball/brick would make me die laughing.
Jakke
03-06-2005, 08:44 AM
feels weird, just shooted with my airsoft gun in the garden oOo:
RIP
Blase
03-06-2005, 11:57 AM
[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":6a2f4]
On another note: Seeing a firefighter getting hit with a javelin/golfball/brick would make me die laughing.[/quote:6a2f4]
At least you're honest.
Sgt. Paine
03-06-2005, 12:22 PM
Fire fighters are the shit. Fuck you guys for wishing death on them. *RIP* 9-11
Arkan
03-06-2005, 12:43 PM
[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":34f1d]On another note: Seeing a firefighter getting hit with a javelin/golfball/brick would make me die laughing.[/quote:34f1d]
That ranks as the dumbest thing you ever said on these forums. Bravo numbnuts!
Miscguy
03-06-2005, 06:47 PM
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
Hawke
03-06-2005, 08:15 PM
RIP
Dipshit shooting at the firefighters hake:
lasagna
03-06-2005, 08:18 PM
[quote="Sgt. Paine":13eb7]Fire fighters are the shit. [/quote:13eb7]
isnt there a more intelligent way of saying that, instead of "firefighters are the shit".
strvs
03-06-2005, 10:17 PM
[quote="Sgt. Paine":b6d77]Fire fighters are the shit.
isnt there a more intelligent way of saying that, instead of "firefighters are the shit".[/quote:b6d77]
yea, and you're the holy grail of intelligence right oOo:
i just wasted a small portion of your life
jujumantb
03-06-2005, 11:25 PM
that sucks
i hope i dont kill anyone with my airsoft
Even heavily modded, I can never see a situation where an airsoft BB could kill you, take an eye out, yes, but never kill somebody. I've taken them 300fps from a foot and barely broke skin, hurt like hell and bruises/scar for over a year, but it could never kill you even point blank in the head...
elitecloud
03-07-2005, 01:00 AM
perhaps because your older
it was a 2 year old for crying our loud
Eight Ace
03-07-2005, 01:19 AM
[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":321a7]On another note: Seeing a firefighter getting hit with a javelin/golfball/brick would make me die laughing.[/quote:321a7]
Hopefully it'll be your house that is not saved as a result
...and you and your family can die laughing/burning. beer:
Whatada
03-07-2005, 01:21 AM
It's an "Airgun" not an "Airsoft" gun. Airguns can sometimes have near the force of a .22
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
i think they should be illegal, therefore im against the people who thinks they should be, regardless if they are legal or not. There is absolutly no point for a house owner to need to own a semi or full auto gun...that's what gangs are for anyways right?
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 08:58 AM
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
i think they should be illegal, therefore im against the people who thinks they should be, regardless if they are legal or not. There is absolutly no point for a house owner to need to own a semi or full auto gun...that's what gangs are for anyways right?
plzdie:
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
i think they should be illegal, therefore im against the people who thinks they should be, regardless if they are legal or not. There is absolutly no point for a house owner to need to own a semi or full auto gun...that's what gangs are for anyways right?
Would depend on the state i guess. Some places in america from what ive seen\read it should be mandatory for residents to be able to call in an artillery barrage on their street so its safe for them to go to their front porch to get the newspaper. oOo:
Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
i think they should be illegal, therefore im against the people who thinks they should be, regardless if they are legal or not. There is absolutly no point for a house owner to need to own a semi or full auto gun...that's what gangs are for anyways right?
Would depend on the state i guess. Some places in america from what ive seen\read it should be mandatory for residents to be able to call in an artillery barrage on their street so its safe for them to go to their front porch to get the newspaper. oOo:
Land of the Free eh.
[quote="Pyro":c61d2]Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
i think they should be illegal, therefore im against the people who thinks they should be, regardless if they are legal or not. There is absolutly no point for a house owner to need to own a semi or full auto gun...that's what gangs are for anyways right?
Would depend on the state i guess. Some places in america from what ive seen\read it should be mandatory for residents to be able to call in an artillery barrage on their street so its safe for them to go to their front porch to get the newspaper. oOo:
Land of the Free eh.[/quote:c61d2]
Im not referring to the whole country, like anywhere else america has its fair share of shithole neighborhoods where bullets go flying on a daily basis and on average more miles are clocked up by bullets than cars. Just the "ease" of availability of guns in the us means the problem seems more exagerrated than it would be otherwise.
[quote="Miscguy":65fd6][quote="Pyro":65fd6]Meh the person who used the airgun will probably grow up to be one of those faggots who supports killing anything when hunting for sport and think semi autos should be legal.
Fuck them and the death they create.
Um fuck stick. Semi auto is legal. For that matter so is full auto, via special permit.
i think they should be illegal, therefore im against the people who thinks they should be, regardless if they are legal or not. There is absolutly no point for a house owner to need to own a semi or full auto gun...that's what gangs are for anyways right?
Would depend on the state i guess. Some places in america from what ive seen\read it should be mandatory for residents to be able to call in an artillery barrage on their street so its safe for them to go to their front porch to get the newspaper. oOo:
Land of the Free eh.[/quote:65fd6]
Im not referring to the whole country, like anywhere else america has its fair share of shithole neighborhoods where bullets go flying on a daily basis and on average more miles are clocked up by bullets than cars. Just the "ease" of availability of guns in the us means the problem seems more exagerrated than it would be otherwise.[/quote:65fd6]
Shit happens when laws exist to lower public safety.
Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
Colonel
03-07-2005, 10:22 AM
Shit happens when laws exist to lower public safety.
Actually, guns are used far more for defense than to commit a crime. Therefore, gun ownership raises public safety.
However, to me, that point is irrelevant. I believe that men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights". The Constitution has a Bill of Rights that protects those freedoms. We should guard each plank of the Bill of Rights like a starving dog guards a ten pound steak.
Innoxx
03-07-2005, 10:23 AM
Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
Pretty much, you need to get a gun locker, trigger locks, a valid FAC, and every firearm you purchase is to be registered.
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 10:27 AM
Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:
Mr.Buttocks
03-07-2005, 10:38 AM
[quote="Sgt>Stackem":7b9ed]
how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:[/quote:7b9ed]
True. You had better fight to keep your guns over there, you'll probably need them at some point in the near future.
[quote=geRV]Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:[/quote:ed1bb]
Hows does limited access to guns "nueter" anything? If anything free access to guns over here would probably cause more problems. sleeping:
Innoxx
03-07-2005, 10:46 AM
[quote=geRV]Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:
Hows does limited access to guns "nueter" anything? If anything free access to guns over here would probably cause more problems. sleeping:[/quote:46f56]
Heh, yeah.
http://irelandsown.net/INLA6.JPG
PS. Is that dude holding a G-43 or am I just seeing things again?
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I think it is a g43. Usually all m16's these days.
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly. Stick to handguns or something if you really need to own a gun.
Mr.Buttocks
03-07-2005, 11:01 AM
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly.
You need them to kill things really quickly.
[quote=Pyro]No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly.
You need them to kill things really quickly.[/quote:54dce]
Which we refer to as murder.
Fuck, let's legalise it then...Southerners will be in heaven, kill all the ****ers and all.
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 11:23 AM
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly. Stick to handguns or something if you really need to own a gun.
have you ever gone out shooting? It can be a fun and safe sport. Ripping off a 30 round mag is a blast. Who says handguns fire slower than a semiauto rifle? You dont have any knowelge about what you talking about.
Colonel
03-07-2005, 11:30 AM
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly.
Handguns shoot bullets really quickly too. Maybe we should make all handguns bolt action too? ;)
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a car that has a speedometer that goes up to 120 mph either. If the speed limit is 55 mph, shouldn't we only make cars that can go that fast as a maximum speed? Cars that are faster should be locked up and only used at professional races on the weekend by professional drivers. That would save thousands of lives a year.
hmmmm....maybe I should start a activist organization called Automotive Control Inc. and call for the ban of all cars that can go faster than 55 (70 in some states). We also need a seven day waiting period on purchases of cars so that we can do the background check to see if the driver has ever gotten a ticket (although this information can be obtained instantly by any policeman). I also feel the need to force every driver to put a boot on the tires of his car every time he parks it, so that it can't be used by an unauthorized person. Then I'm gonna sue every car manufacturer for every wreck that has ever happened because it is their fault that each of these wrecks occurred. The driver behind the wheel will have no responsibility for an accident in my perfect world. He is a victim of the evil automotive companies, who seduced him into driving this car through their advertising and mind control.
hmmm....where is my list of Congressmen.... I've got to start writing letters.
http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/faq/images/MG42_B.jpg
I want i want. happy:
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 11:58 AM
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly.
Handguns shoot bullets really quickly too. Maybe we should make all handguns bolt action too? ;)
No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a car that has a speedometer that goes up to 120 mph either. If the speed limit is 55 mph, shouldn't we only make cars that can go that fast as a maximum speed? Cars that are faster should be locked up and only used at professional races on the weekend by professional drivers. That would save thousands of lives a year.
hmmmm....maybe I should start a activist organization called Automotive Control Inc. and call for the ban of all cars that can go faster than 55 (70 in some states). We also need a seven day waiting period on purchases of cars so that we can do the background check to see if the driver has ever gotten a ticket (although this information can be obtained instantly by any policeman). I also feel the need to force every driver to put a boot on the tires of his car every time he parks it, so that it can't be used by an unauthorized person. Then I'm gonna sue every car manufacturer for every wreck that has ever happened because it is their fault that each of these wrecks occurred. The driver behind the wheel will have no responsibility for an accident in my perfect world. He is a victim of the evil automotive companies, who seduced him into driving this car through their advertising and mind control.
hmmm....where is my list of Congressmen.... I've got to start writing letters.
its about time someone boought this to light!!!!! While your at it can you do something about those pesky 5 gallon buckets? Kids drown in these things all the time. Paint should be sold in plastic bags!!! Oh wait a kid may suffocate in that bag. Paint should be poured into the painters hands so he can walk it to the wall then we all will be safe.
Whatada
03-07-2005, 12:30 PM
[quote=Pyro]No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly. Stick to handguns or something if you really need to own a gun.
have you ever gone out shooting? It can be a fun and safe sport. Ripping off a 30 round mag is a blast. Who says handguns fire slower than a semiauto rifle? You dont have any knowelge about what you talking about.[/quote:1c5f5]
Glochs are mad fun to shoot. I got a shell casing right in the fucking eye though.
spank:
[quote=Pyro]No one has ever proven to me why anybody would need a gun that can shoots bullets really quickly. Stick to handguns or something if you really need to own a gun.
have you ever gone out shooting? It can be a fun and safe sport. Ripping off a 30 round mag is a blast. Who says handguns fire slower than a semiauto rifle? You dont have any knowelge about what you talking about.
Glochs are mad fun to shoot. I got a shell casing right in the fucking eye though.
spank:[/quote:30fa3]
Glock
Tripper
03-07-2005, 01:41 PM
[quote=geRV]Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:[/quote:5dbce]
Goddamn that's an ignorant statement if ever I saw one. Our gun laws are similar down here to the UK, and I'll tell you what: It's fucking sweet. Cops don't even need to carry guns. There's pretty much no gun crimes at all.
There's your "nuetered" nation.
Arkan
03-07-2005, 02:25 PM
Ok, let me jump in since i live in the US. While it's true we have our share of "gun" murders, it's not as insane as one would believe. As far as i know, fully automatic weapons are illegal here in the states. Only law enforcement and military have full auto. Again, i could be wrong about that but i'm almost sure it's illegal for citizens to own such weapons.
Here in New York, the gun laws are probably one of the strictest in the country (I believe Washington DC is the toughest). In order for an average NY resident to own a firearm, they must apply for a permit....wait 6 months for the process, pay for 3 sets of fingerprints to be taken, and have your background checked. After all that, you get your lil' piece of paper saying you can now "own a gun" and can only carry it concealed TO & FROM an authorized firearms range. Thats if you didn't get a "business carry" license (which even more stuff is required...business license, bank notes...etc)
Now, you have your license and it's time to purchase your handgun. Well, forget about going to "Sports Authority" or "Wall Mart" like you were able to do some years ago (The liberals took care of that for us !!) You now need to go to an authorized firearms dealer. Ok, you go there, pick out your "insert maker here" and put a deposit on it. Now, you have to fill out paperwork to give to the agency that issued your license. So, you leave the gun store and go to the "Pistol license section" to show them (on paper) what you would like to purchase. They go over the paperwork and give you a "purchase order" (which you have to pay for!) that allows you to buy the gun. Now, back to the gun store with said purchase order. Ok, in the gun store you fill out more papers and fully pay for your gun. It's yours right?...no, not so fast. You now have 10 days to RETURN to the pistol license section to have the gun completely registered on your permit so........back to the pistol license section to have them man handle your new machinery and type the info on your permit. NOW you can go home with your new gun.
Seems a bit of a pain eh? The problem we have here in NY is the "black market". People aren't shooting themselves with registered guns, it's guns purchased from other states with laxed laws or stolen guns.
I have 3 registered handguns and haven't purchased that beloved .45 because it's, 1. a $1000 gun i want, and 2. The process is such a pain in the ass.
Whatada
03-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Glock
loney:
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 02:29 PM
Goddamn that's an ignorant statement if ever I saw one. Our gun laws are similar down here to the UK, and I'll tell you what: It's fucking sweet. Cops don't even need to carry guns. There's pretty much no gun crimes at all.
There's your "nuetered" nation.
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- ig·no·rant·ly adverb
- ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms IGNORANT, ILLITERATE, UNLETTERED, UNTUTORED, UNLEARNED mean not having knowledge. IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. ILLITERATE applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. UNLETTERED implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. UNTUTORED may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. UNLEARNED suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.
sorry Holmes, we can agree to disagree on this. It is a PROVEN FACT when the govt comes after your guns your rights are next
PS if I call a cop I want him armed to the teeth
Tripper
03-07-2005, 03:27 PM
[quote=Tripper]Goddamn that's an ignorant statement if ever I saw one. Our gun laws are similar down here to the UK, and I'll tell you what: It's fucking sweet. Cops don't even need to carry guns. There's pretty much no gun crimes at all.
There's your "nuetered" nation.
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- ig·no·rant·ly adverb
- ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms IGNORANT, ILLITERATE, UNLETTERED, UNTUTORED, UNLEARNED mean not having knowledge. IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. ILLITERATE applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. UNLETTERED implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. UNTUTORED may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. UNLEARNED suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.
sorry Holmes, we can agree to disagree on this. It is a PROVEN FACT when the govt comes after your guns your rights are next
PS if I call a cop I want him armed to the teeth[/quote:46899]
You didn't need to post the definition of Ignorant. I know it, and I still standby what I said.
I'm seriously lmfao at this...You think our rights are under threat? Anyone that knows about my country will understand just how nieve that statement is. Proven fact my ass.
....and our cops carry guns in squad cars but don't walk around the streets with guns in holsters unless they're experienced or of certain rank....
Under these rules we don't have any "accidents" where people are shot 40 times for reaching for a wallet by a bunch of rookie cops with itchy trigger fingers...
Cops aren't infallible superhumans. They make mistakes too. It's alot harder to make a fatal mistake when you don't have a gun.
The cops don't need 658678676876 guns because there are VERY few criminals that have access to guns...If that's because of our strict gun laws, who knows....(I'm guessing it is)...
Anyways, as soon as the word "firearm" even enters any kind of call to police, the "armed to the teeth" cops come, The Armed Defenders Squad (Our SWAT equivelent). They rarely need to enter the situation.
...Also, when our criminals have firearms, it's usually antique rifles, hunting rifles or shotguns/sawn offs....And unless you have a huge muther fucking trenchcoat, it's pretty hard to conceal a big fucking musket...Let alone do any damage with it.
We manage pretty well, with around 40 - 60 homicides a year for the ENTIRE nation. I don't even know how many of those would be firearm homicides....Probably no more than 20.... I feel pretty damn safe.
rofl @ rights under threat....
hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha... ..I would laugh in your face if you said that to me in person....
Now I'm not criticising the U.S here, Instead I'm pointing and laughing at the idea/proposition of the same gun laws being employed in ALREADY "gun safe" places such as the UK, Aussie, NZ, etc....
Akuma
03-07-2005, 03:33 PM
[quote=Tripper]Goddamn that's an ignorant statement if ever I saw one. Our gun laws are similar down here to the UK, and I'll tell you what: It's fucking sweet. Cops don't even need to carry guns. There's pretty much no gun crimes at all.
There's your "nuetered" nation.
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- ig·no·rant·ly adverb
- ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms IGNORANT, ILLITERATE, UNLETTERED, UNTUTORED, UNLEARNED mean not having knowledge. IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. ILLITERATE applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. UNLETTERED implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. UNTUTORED may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. UNLEARNED suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.
sorry Holmes, we can agree to disagree on this. It is a PROVEN FACT when the govt comes after your guns your rights are next
PS if I call a cop I want him armed to the teeth
You didn't need to post the definition of Ignorant. I know it, and I still standby what I said.
I'm seriously lmfao at this...You think our rights are under threat? Anyone that knows about my country will understand just how nieve that statement is. Proven fact my ass.
....and our cops carry guns in squad cars but don't walk around the streets with guns in holsters unless they're experienced or of certain rank....
Under these rules we don't have any "accidents" where people are shot 40 times for reaching for a wallet by a bunch of rookie cops with itchy trigger fingers...
Cops aren't infallible superhumans. They make mistakes too. It's alot harder to make a fatal mistake when you don't have a gun.
The cops don't need 658678676876 guns because there are VERY few criminals that have access to guns...If that's because of our strict gun laws, who knows....(I'm guessing it is)...
Anyways, as soon as the word "firearm" even enters any kind of call to police, the "armed to the teeth" cops come, The Armed Defenders Squad (Our SWAT equivelent). They rarely need to enter the situation.
...Also, when our criminals have firearms, it's usually antique rifles, hunting rifles or shotguns/sawn offs....And unless you have a huge muther fucking trenchcoat, it's pretty hard to conceal a big fucking musket...Let alone do any damage with it.
We manage pretty well, with around 40 - 60 homicides a year for the ENTIRE nation. I don't even know how many of those would be firearm homicides....Probably no more than 20.... I feel pretty damn safe.
rofl @ rights under threat....
hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha... ..I would laugh in your face if you said that to me in person....
Now I'm not criticising the U.S here, Instead I'm pointing and laughing at the idea/proposition of the same gun laws being employed in ALREADY "gun safe" places such as the UK, Aussie, Canada, NZ, etc....[/quote:23bce]
I envy you and your awesome country.
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Ok, let me jump in since i live in the US. While it's true we have our share of "gun" murders, it's not as insane as one would believe. As far as i know, fully automatic weapons are illegal here in the states. Only law enforcement and military have full auto. Again, i could be wrong about that but i'm almost sure it's illegal for citizens to own such weapons.
Here in New York, the gun laws are probably one of the strictest in the country (I believe Washington DC is the toughest). In order for an average NY resident to own a firearm, they must apply for a permit....wait 6 months for the process, pay for 3 sets of fingerprints to be taken, and have your background checked. After all that, you get your lil' piece of paper saying you can now "own a gun" and can only carry it concealed TO & FROM an authorized firearms range. Thats if you didn't get a "business carry" license (which even more stuff is required...business license, bank notes...etc)
Now, you have your license and it's time to purchase your handgun. Well, forget about going to "Sports Authority" or "Wall Mart" like you were able to do some years ago (The liberals took care of that for us !!) You now need to go to an authorized firearms dealer. Ok, you go there, pick out your "insert maker here" and put a deposit on it. Now, you have to fill out paperwork to give to the agency that issued your license. So, you leave the gun store and go to the "Pistol license section" to show them (on paper) what you would like to purchase. They go over the paperwork and give you a "purchase order" (which you have to pay for!) that allows you to buy the gun. Now, back to the gun store with said purchase order. Ok, in the gun store you fill out more papers and fully pay for your gun. It's yours right?...no, not so fast. You now have 10 days to RETURN to the pistol license section to have the gun completely registered on your permit so........back to the pistol license section to have them man handle your new machinery and type the info on your permit. NOW you can go home with your new gun.
Seems a bit of a pain eh? The problem we have here in NY is the "black market". People aren't shooting themselves with registered guns, it's guns purchased from other states with laxed laws or stolen guns.
I have 3 registered handguns and haven't purchased that beloved .45 because it's, 1. a $1000 gun i want, and 2. The process is such a pain in the ass.
its much easier here, go to the police station. Pay $10 for purchase permit. Go buy handgun. Take handgun back to police station where they double check serial numbers and then go home with your new handgun. For rifles and shotguns you go to gun store, wait for "instant check" (this has taken up to 3 hours for me) and walk out with your new rifle or shotgun. If you want to carry you need to apply for a permit and wait. Michigan is a "shall issue" permit state. If you have no criminal backround and have gone to your CCW class you get a permit. Since the "shall issue" permits have become availble crime has dropped. NOT ONE person with a permit to carry has commited a crime.
PS there are full auto guns in some privite citizens hands but the permits are almost impossible th get. There has NEVER been a legally registered fully automatic weapon used in a crime EVER in the US
Tripper
03-07-2005, 03:42 PM
I envy you and your awesome country.
I dunno if you're being sarcastic or not.... cry:
Coleman
03-07-2005, 03:44 PM
this is actually pretty entertaining watching the debates from a distance.
Akuma
03-07-2005, 03:53 PM
I envy you and your awesome country.
I dunno if you're being sarcastic or not.... cry:
Not at all. (<-- Also not sarcastic.)
[quote="Chris Rock":6f1e9]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
[/quote:6f1e9]
Totally agree with that one ^
Coleman
03-07-2005, 04:10 PM
[quote="Chris Rock":ff9a8]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^[/quote:ff9a8]that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.
Colonel
03-07-2005, 04:20 PM
Tripper, I'm sure New Zealand is a wonderful place to live. However I would assume that much of the difference between there and here is a combination of cultural differences (I can elaborate if you need me to) and population density. New Zealand has four million people spread out over a country the size of the UK. The UK has fifteen times as many people. The US is about the size of Australia and has a popluation approaching 300 million.
BTW - I may be reading these charts wrong, but according to this site (http://www.police.govt.nz/service/stati ... /calendar/ (http://www.police.govt.nz/service/statistics/2004/calendar/)) New Zealand has about 110 violent crimes per ten thousand people.
According to this site (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) the US had about 506 crimes in the "violent" column per 100,000 people. I may be reading this chart wrong too for all I know but it seems like New Zealand is not much safer, if any, than the US as a whole. (But congrats on the declining Overall rate and the steady increase in the rate of Solved cases!)
It may not seem like an imposition to you that you are not allowed to own a gun because you've never had that freedom, but to us that have enjoyed going hunting with our dads, or going to the pistol range with our daughters (I've enjoyed both scenarios), or have protected ourselves from a home invasion (as my 78 year old dad had to do a couple of years ago), any talk of taking away our right to own a gun causes the hair on our necks to stand up. Couple that with our national history of citizens using their own guns to fight for our freedom and you have a culture that a person who has lived their life in New Zealand, or Japan, or Germany, or even the UK cannot understand.
Tripper
03-07-2005, 04:37 PM
Tripper, I'm sure New Zealand is a wonderful place to live. However I would assume that much of the difference between there and here is a combination of cultural differences (I can elaborate if you need me to) and population density. New Zealand has four million people spread out over a country the size of the UK. The UK has fifteen times as many people. The US is about the size of Australia and has a popluation approaching 300 million.
BTW - I may be reading these charts wrong, but according to this site (http://www.police.govt.nz/service/stati ... /calendar/ (http://www.police.govt.nz/service/statistics/2004/calendar/)) New Zealand has about 110 violent crimes per ten thousand people.
According to this site (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) the US had about 506 crimes in the "violent" column per 100,000 people. I may be reading this chart wrong too for all I know but it seems like New Zealand is not much safer, if any, than the US as a whole. (But congrats on the declining Overall rate and the steady increase in the rate of Solved cases!)
It may not seem like an imposition to you that you are not allowed to own a gun because you've never had that freedom, but to us that have enjoyed going hunting with our dads, or going to the pistol range with our daughters (I've enjoyed both scenarios), or have protected ourselves from a home invasion (as my 78 year old dad had to do a couple of years ago), any talk of taking away our right to own a gun causes the hair on our necks to stand up. Couple that with our national history of citizens using their own guns to fight for our freedom and you have a culture that a person who has lived their life in New Zealand, or Japan, or Germany, or even the UK cannot understand.
Sure, I absolutely agree.
That's why we're not being "neutered" by our own govt. That was my point from the beginning. I thought it was really ignorant and stupid of Stackem to try and propose that we were having our rights taken from us, just because we have strict gun laws, unlike the U.S....
P.S: I <3 Akuma.
[quote=geRV]Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.
how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:
Goddamn that's an ignorant statement if ever I saw one. Our gun laws are similar down here to the UK, and I'll tell you what: It's fucking sweet. Cops don't even need to carry guns. There's pretty much no gun crimes at all.
There's your "nuetered" nation.[/quote:ffe21]
The way it should fucking be.
to the person who brought up cars...
speeding is illegal....it is fun to speed but it is illegal...so if it is fun to shoot a gun alot...it should be illegal to do so. Then at least you can have a chance to be caught...instead of all out letting people do it.
What if some kid was playing around and just happened to come on your property and you shoot them with your semi automatic weapon...what you gonna say the kid deserved it they were trespassing i can shoot any fucking gun I want?
Sgt>Stackem
03-07-2005, 05:13 PM
sorry to disagree with you but rights are being taken away in most countries. You can call me ignorant and stupid if you like just because you dont see eye to eye on this. If you had a clue you would know Im right and your wrong. This isnt hapening over night its a slow process. For Canada C-68 is a perfect example. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... asp?ID=267 (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=267)
Austrailia
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... sp?ID=1129 (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1129)
again, we will never agree about this, we see it in a very different light. Our countries have different sets of rules. What I would call normal, you may have never seen and vise/versa.
Tripper
03-07-2005, 05:59 PM
[quote="Sgt>Stackem":30014]sorry to disagree with you but rights are being taken away in most countries. You can call me ignorant and stupid if you like just because you dont see eye to eye on this. If you had a clue you would know Im right and your wrong. This isnt hapening over night its a slow process. For Canada C-68 is a perfect example. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... asp?ID=267 (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=267)
Austrailia
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... sp?ID=1129 (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1129)
again, we will never agree about this, we see it in a very different light. Our countries have different sets of rules. What I would call normal, you may have never seen and vise/versa.[/quote:30014]
Well I don't consider owning a gun a right, it's a privilige. That opinion is a product of my society/my country.
My society, including the government AREN'T out to get me. That opinion is also a product of the society I live in....So really your opinions on the issue hold no weight, because your opinions are crossing the realm of American society into MY society. Not the other way around. I understand why you think like you do about guns because I know alot about your countries history....and I understand about gun culture in the U.S.
So I can assure you, no rights are being lost down here. We're doing just fine and feel no oppression if we aren't allowed to own an automatic weapon. I speak on behalf of pretty much everyone I know from New Zealand. Moderate left and right.
Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?
snipes
03-07-2005, 06:09 PM
Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?
After reading the last 4 pages...no.
Arkan
03-07-2005, 06:11 PM
Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?
No, lets keep it here even though it got off track a bit.
[quote="Sgt>Stackem":4a905]sorry to disagree with you but rights are being taken away in most countries.[/quote:4a905]
how can you take away something someone never had?
lasagna
03-07-2005, 08:18 PM
[quote="Chris Rock":8deb4]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^[/quote:8deb4]
dont you hunt? sleeping: rolleyes:
Coleman
03-07-2005, 08:24 PM
What if some kid was playing around and just happened to come on your property and you shoot them with your semi automatic weapon...what you gonna say the kid deserved it they were trespassing i can shoot any fucking gun I want?Well there is something that protects against crimes like that called "use of excessive force". You are only permitted to use equal force when protecting yourself from danger. You can't knock out a burgler, tie him up, and then shoot him while he's unconscious.
[quote="Chris Rock":4c095]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^
dont you hunt? sleeping: rolleyes:[/quote:4c095]
yeah but with slugs, not bullets :P
if guns kill people
then pencils misspell words
and cars make people drive drunk
and spoons made rosie o'donnell fat
jujumantb
03-07-2005, 08:44 PM
[quote="Chris Rock":bcd71]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.[/quote:bcd71]
Well the price would obviously be controlled by the government if it were to happen, which it wouldnt because it would be VERY easy to still get bullets from the black market. Not to mention our deer and other game populations would skyrocket with no hunters out there, plus bullet manufacturing companies would either go under or a few would get tons of government aid which is no good. Just a stupid idea that could never happen.
Tripper
03-07-2005, 09:06 PM
[quote="Chris Rock":13833]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.
Well the price would obviously be controlled by the government if it were to happen, which it wouldnt because it would be VERY easy to still get bullets from the black market. Not to mention our deer and other game populations would skyrocket with no hunters out there, plus bullet manufacturing companies would either go under or a few would get tons of government aid which is no good. Just a stupid idea that could never happen.[/quote:13833]
There's not much to a bullet. I'm sure you'd have a huge black market in no time.
jujumantb
03-07-2005, 09:07 PM
[quote="Chris Rock":afe1a]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.
Well the price would obviously be controlled by the government if it were to happen, which it wouldnt because it would be VERY easy to still get bullets from the black market. Not to mention our deer and other game populations would skyrocket with no hunters out there, plus bullet manufacturing companies would either go under or a few would get tons of government aid which is no good. Just a stupid idea that could never happen.
There's not much to a bullet. I'm sure you'd have a huge black market in no time.[/quote:afe1a]
Exactly, like I said. :) I mean its not even hard to get guns from the blackmarket, bullets would be simple.
Coleman
03-07-2005, 09:15 PM
[quote="Acideyez":78b21][quote="Chris Rock":78b21]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
Totally agree with that one ^that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.
Well the price would obviously be controlled by the government if it were to happen, which it wouldnt because it would be VERY easy to still get bullets from the black market. Not to mention our deer and other game populations would skyrocket with no hunters out there, plus bullet manufacturing companies would either go under or a few would get tons of government aid which is no good. Just a stupid idea that could never happen.
There's not much to a bullet. I'm sure you'd have a huge black market in no time.[/quote:78b21]
Exactly, like I said. :) I mean its not even hard to get guns from the blackmarket, bullets would be simple.[/quote:78b21]yep they show dudes making them on the Outdoor channel that I get happy:
Chango
03-07-2005, 09:20 PM
Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?
No, lets keep it here even though it got off track a bit.
Just split it and move the approriate posts to the political forum.
Colonel
03-07-2005, 10:03 PM
What if some kid was playing around and just happened to come on your property and you shoot them with your semi automatic weapon...what you gonna say the kid deserved it they were trespassing i can shoot any fucking gun I want?
Dagnab trespassers! The last time that happened I just used my car and ran over him. The kid was such a slow runner I didn't even have to exceed the speed limit to squash him.
And as for the comment that asked " how can you take away something someone never had?" If you oppress people and have been all of their lives you are taking away their freedom, even though they have never experienced it before. It is possible to take away something you never had.
Tripper
03-07-2005, 10:07 PM
And as for the comment that asked " how can you take away something someone never had?" If you oppress people and have been all of their lives you are taking away their freedom, even though they have never experienced it before. It is possible to take away something you never had.
Oh no. I feel so oppressed I've never been able to own an automatic weapon.
In some countries certain people have the right to beat the living piss out of anyone they please....Are you oppressed because you've never had that right?
Colonel
03-07-2005, 10:48 PM
Oh no. I feel so oppressed I've never been able to own an automatic weapon.
LOL - I wasn't talking about you Tripper.
In some countries certain people have the right to beat the living piss out of anyone they please....Are you oppressed because you've never had that right?
This is the guy I was talking about. Not the guy doing the beating, but the guy being beaten.
Okay...
Since this version of phpBB2 (without modifications) doesn't allow you to split a topic, this is being moved to the Politics forum.
I'll leave a shadow topic in Offtopic, though. Carry on, gentlemen. beer:
Tripper
03-07-2005, 11:18 PM
Oh no. I feel so oppressed I've never been able to own an automatic weapon.
LOL - I wasn't talking about you Tripper.
In some countries certain people have the right to beat the living piss out of anyone they please....Are you oppressed because you've never had that right?
This is the guy I was talking about. Not the guy doing the beating, but the guy being beaten.
LOL....K, I see it now...My apologies...
Why do we need a freedom to own something that only purpose is to kill?
Knives can kill, but they have other purposes, guns have none other than to kill.
Johnj
03-08-2005, 04:05 PM
Wow I've owned guns for over 30 years and no gun that i've owned has killed anybody, while I owned it. I have however used them for target shooting and hunting. I think you should take up knitting.
Maplegyver
03-08-2005, 05:17 PM
Why do we need a freedom to own something that only purpose is to kill?
Knives can kill, but they have other purposes, guns have none other than to kill.
i agree with pyro, i think owning a gun is a privilage, not a right.
Johnj
03-09-2005, 06:06 AM
I guess it's a good thing that your from Canada then.
Sgt>Stackem
03-09-2005, 10:09 AM
Why do we need a freedom to own something that only purpose is to kill?
Knives can kill, but they have other purposes, guns have none other than to kill.
I think the one thing you guys just dont get is that we , as Americans, have the right to keep and bear arms. Yes thats a RIGHT. Why do we have this right? We, as Americans, also have the right to overthrow our govt if it isnt doing as we please. I know this will NEVER happen in my lifetime but if my kids kids need to do so I want them to have the rights that I have. You cant go up against the govt with knives. This is a very important right and we need to protect it at all costs. You may say "that will never happen" I hope you are right but if it does we are ready.
ninty
03-09-2005, 10:38 AM
Ghandi overthrew the British Empire in India without guns. The Ukranians got a fair election a couple months ago without guns. There are ways of overthrowing governments without guns.
The right to bear arms was pretty much put in place because of British Imperialism, but I don't think you guys have to worry about that anymore. The right to bear arms, in my opinion, is outdated.
To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.
Stammer
03-09-2005, 11:15 AM
To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.
I'd like to agree with that, but thoose millions of protesters and world distain for the Iraq war didn't stop Bush.
Sgt>Stackem
03-09-2005, 11:24 AM
To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.
I truely hope you are right but it didnt work for Germany did it?
ninty
03-09-2005, 11:30 AM
[quote=ninty9]To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.
I'd like to agree with that, but thoose millions of protesters and world distain for the Iraq war didn't stop Bush.[/quote:3bbb3]
No, it didn't. But this might be a little different. That was for another country. If this was happening in your own country, I believe even more people would come out. But still, the Bush Government is the most powerful. Even if the people revolted against the government, if they didn't have the military on their side, it would probably be a massacre even if the people had weapons.
[quote:3bbb3]
I truely hope you are right but it didnt work for Germany did it?[/quote:3bbb3]
But the German people supported Hitler. They wern't protesting aginst him. Hitler burnt down the Richastag and blamed it on the Communists. He gave himself power and the people rejoiced.
Colonel
03-09-2005, 12:11 PM
[quote=ninty9]To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.
I'd like to agree with that, but thoose millions of protesters and world distain for the Iraq war didn't stop Bush.
No, it didn't. But this might be a little different. That was for another country. If this was happening in your own country, I believe even more people would come out.[quote:3d843][/quote:3d843][/quote:3d843]
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands that opposed Saddam and ended up in mass graves.
Or to the Jews in Germany who ended up in gas chambers. BTW- Hilter disarmed the Jews (i.e. convinced them that they didn't need guns and then confiscated them) before he started rounding the people up.
Sgt>Stackem
03-09-2005, 12:11 PM
in the begining they did support him,(Hitler) in the begining he was donig good. After he made them register thier weapons and then confescated them the people saw the true light but it was too late to do something about it. I feel sorry for the German people of today, they were put through such BS and now they are ashamed of it. I feel no ill will towards the German people just what thier (past) govt did. Im sure if the people could have stopped him they would have. That is one of the most impressive countries as far as making a change is involved. The Germany of today is a great nation but they paid dearly for it.
ninty
03-10-2005, 01:17 PM
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands that opposed Saddam and ended up in mass graves.
Or to the Jews in Germany who ended up in gas chambers. BTW- Hilter disarmed the Jews (i.e. convinced them that they didn't need guns and then confiscated them) before he started rounding the people up.
Or to the Jews in Germany who ended up in gas chambers. BTW- Hilter disarmed the Jews (i.e. convinced them that they didn't need guns and then confiscated them) before he started rounding the people up.
The example I was putting fourth does not work is every situation. However, the Iraqi people have weapons, and it didn’t help them, did it? They probably have more weapons than Americans do. Also, I’m willing to bet that most people didn’t like saddam, but I don’t think they really had a problem with him in power. Yes I’m sure the Kurds hated him and would revolt if they had the numbers, but the majority of the people just want to work and make a living for their family. Most people cannot be bothered with politics. They had known saddam their entire life. This was the way things go. They had known no other life. The masses weren’t revolting against saddam. There were no marches through the street to get rid of him.
Also, I’m not arguing that weapons should be confiscitated, all I’m saying is that there should be some responsibility by government figures in who is allowed to get firearms. I agree very much that firearms are a right, not a privlage. I hear people saying “the second amendment says I can have weapons”. I really don’t think that’s right at all.
[quote:5e7de]in the begining they did support him,(Hitler) in the begining he was donig good. After he made them register thier weapons and then confescated them the people saw the true light but it was too late to do something about it. I feel sorry for the German people of today, they were put through such BS and now they are ashamed of it. I feel no ill will towards the German people just what thier (past) govt did. Im sure if the people could have stopped him they would have. That is one of the most impressive countries as far as making a change is involved. The Germany of today is a great nation but they paid dearly for it. [/quote:5e7de]
I think during the war people began to see what their country was doing was wrong, but would they turn on their country? No, they defended it. It is their country. The jews really only make up a few million out of 50 million germans. If 30 million germans decided what their government was doing was wrong, they could have done something I believe, but they didn’t. And I don’t blame them. If I were in their position, I’d probably support the Nazi government as well. I understand what your saying, and I agree. The german people ahve paid for it.
Keep killing each other, and may the masses piss on your graves.
Maplegyver
03-10-2005, 06:07 PM
penis envy.
Tripper
03-10-2005, 09:03 PM
[quote=Pyro]Why do we need a freedom to own something that only purpose is to kill?
Knives can kill, but they have other purposes, guns have none other than to kill.
I think the one thing you guys just dont get is that we , as Americans, have the right to keep and bear arms. Yes thats a RIGHT. Why do we have this right? We, as Americans, also have the right to overthrow our govt if it isnt doing as we please. I know this will NEVER happen in my lifetime but if my kids kids need to do so I want them to have the rights that I have. You cant go up against the govt with knives. This is a very important right and we need to protect it at all costs. You may say "that will never happen" I hope you are right but if it does we are ready.[/quote:58be0]
^ Product of a paranoid society. Ever since the intial red scare after the russian bolshevik revolution, the U.S has just been a mass of paranoia....It does more damage than good worrying about the wrong things.
Colonel
03-10-2005, 10:53 PM
You're a little off on this one Tripper. Wasn't that revolution in 1917? Americans have been passionate about our Bill of Rights since 1787. We feel now, and have felt since the day it was signed, that we must be vigilant in guarding every plank in it. Any attempt to erode even an inch of the power in each Amendment must be fought with all of our abilities. Once a freedom is lost it is very difficult to get it back.
Short Hand
03-11-2005, 12:43 AM
[quote="Sgt>Stackem":57552]in the begining they did support him,(Hitler) in the begining he was donig good. After he made them register thier weapons and then confescated them the people saw the true light but it was too late to do something about it. I feel sorry for the German people of today, they were put through such BS and now they are ashamed of it. I feel no ill will towards the German people just what thier (past) govt did. Im sure if the people could have stopped him they would have. That is one of the most impressive countries as far as making a change is involved. The Germany of today is a great nation but they paid dearly for it.[/quote:57552]
Ya see.. That was good and all when The government had muskets, and you had a musket...... But now They have Hightech Helicopters, Missles, Tanks...... To much for you to fight. In any event, I don't think the average American soldier would fight his own" either the Military would arrest the president, or an internal military civil war would fight out. It is hard to explain.
guarnere
03-11-2005, 01:28 AM
d00d AMERIAKN IDOIT! GREEN DAY HAS LYRICS THAT SPEAK TO MIE INNER MOST FEELKIGNZ!!11 I WAKL ALONE COS SUZY BROKE UP WITH ME!!! OMFG, I HATE SKOOL!
Sgt>Stackem
03-11-2005, 08:00 AM
d00d AMERIAKN IDOIT! GREEN DAY HAS LYRICS THAT SPEAK TO MIE INNER MOST FEELKIGNZ!!11 I WAKL ALONE COS SUZY BROKE UP WITH ME!!! OMFG, I HATE SKOOL!
this thread had a bunch of intelligent posts until this one came by
Tripper
03-11-2005, 03:43 PM
You're a little off on this one Tripper. Wasn't that revolution in 1917? Americans have been passionate about our Bill of Rights since 1787. We feel now, and have felt since the day it was signed, that we must be vigilant in guarding every plank in it. Any attempt to erode even an inch of the power in each Amendment must be fought with all of our abilities. Once a freedom is lost it is very difficult to get it back.
1787...That was when your country WAS under threat, that was valid passion for defense of those rights and ideals - It wasn't paranoia....By the dawn of the 20th century...There were no outside threats, the U.S was a world power. The communist revolution in russia instilled an unreal threat in the american psyche, since then, IMO, the U.S has been gradually drawn into a world of paranoid fear of outside influences, inducing a somewhat misguided foreign policy driven by that fear.
The war on terror is like, a nicotine patch from the lack of communismarettes. The government's addiction to fear is a sedative to keep the people in check, so paranoid that they hug big brother's leg so tight and with so much passion that they don't question his motives anymore. oOo:
...Political Poetry. From the outside looking in... nag:
I had fun with an Airgun today though...just i just shot signs and garbage cans and shit...first time i ever used one.
It me me time to learn to aim correctly and keep my figity arm straight...first time i hit the small sign I was what i call shooting black...which is with the gun to the side.
The wind was kinda strong too...but it was enjoyable.
Just don't shoot it at kids.
ninty
03-11-2005, 05:54 PM
You're a little off on this one Tripper. Wasn't that revolution in 1917? Americans have been passionate about our Bill of Rights since 1787. We feel now, and have felt since the day it was signed, that we must be vigilant in guarding every plank in it. Any attempt to erode even an inch of the power in each Amendment must be fought with all of our abilities. Once a freedom is lost it is very difficult to get it back.
I believe you have given up many inches from the bill of rights and the amendments.
The government can detain you for an indefinite amount of time without a lawyer, trial or them even telling you what you did wrong. Isn't everyone guaranteed a fair trial? Innocent until proven guilty? Free speech has eroded in the media and general public. Free assembly has taken a huge hit in my mind, as well as freedom of religion. Freedoms have been given up on the basis of security.
These things might not affect you personally, or anyone you know, but they do affect some Americans.
"152 communities, including several major cities and three states, that have now passed resolutions denouncing the Patriot Act as an assault on civil liberties."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... Found=true (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A64173-2003Apr20¬Found=true)
Colonel
03-11-2005, 07:54 PM
....By the dawn of the 20th century...There were no outside threats
The 2nd Amendment was put by the Founding Fathers to protect against internal threats, not external threats.
Tripper
03-11-2005, 09:38 PM
....By the dawn of the 20th century...There were no outside threats
The 2nd Amendment was put by the Founding Fathers to protect against internal threats, not external threats.
Well that's just... oOo:
That's why there are plenty of murders in the U.S, noone trusts each other. ed:
....and regardless, what I posted still stands - In my opinion.
Sgt>Stackem
03-11-2005, 09:43 PM
I had fun with an Airgun today though...just i just shot signs and garbage cans and shit...first time i ever used one.
It me me time to learn to aim correctly and keep my figity arm straight...first time i hit the small sign I was what i call shooting black...which is with the gun to the side.
The wind was kinda strong too...but it was enjoyable.
Just don't shoot it at kids.
"YOU WILL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!"
[quote=Pyro]I had fun with an Airgun today though...just i just shot signs and garbage cans and shit...first time i ever used one.
It me me time to learn to aim correctly and keep my figity arm straight...first time i hit the small sign I was what i call shooting black...which is with the gun to the side.
The wind was kinda strong too...but it was enjoyable.
Just don't shoot it at kids.
"YOU WILL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!"[/quote:1fd57]
A Christmas Story is gangsta.
Mr.Buttocks
03-12-2005, 09:24 PM
A Christmas Story is gangsta.
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