World's Top 10 Military *Currently*

[ToeNail]

I know this might be a bunch of opinions but, who do you think the top 10 world's most strongest military is?
I've only heard that US is #1 but unsure of others. Any ideas?

[elstatec]

pretty gay topic but id think china, not america

[Maplegyver]

pretty gay topic

[ToeNail]

pretty gay topic but id think china, not america
China has numbers but not skilled or good equipment.

[Maplegyver]

dont underestimate them

[Machette]

Military
The Korean People's Army encompasses the army, navy and air force and has 1.08 million active personnel and 4.7 million in reserves.

Military expenditures account for 31.3 percent of GDP expenditures, making North Korea --- dollar for dollar --- the world's most militaristic state.

Nearly one out of every four citizens serves in some military capacity.

North Korea is said to have an extensive chemical weapons program. A report by the Federation of American Scientists says that North Korea has chemical stockpiles of at least 180-250 tons of reserve-weaponized agents.

North Korea also reportedly has a biological weapons program based at the National Defense Research Institute and Medical Academy. This program is not as extensive as the chemical weapons program.

from cnn.com
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiap ... index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/04/22/nkorea.facts/index.html)

[Johnj]

It's hard not to take the Chinese lightly. The best their armored units have done is to crush unarmed Chinese citizens. Their fighter pilots can't stay out of a big-ass 4 turbo-prop engine EWAC planes way. Exactly who have the Chinese ever beaten. Remember Iraq was supposed to have the #4 military because the CIA said so. I'd be more worried about the Indians.

[Short Hand]

When fighting any conventional war these days, ground power means little in comparisions to air power. With air power, you pretty much control the battlefield.

[Jin-Roh]

Most Militaristic (Expidentures):
1. Israel - $1466.51 per person = $276.7 billion (FY99 est.)
2.Singapore - $969.92 per person = $4.47 billion (FY01 est.)
3. United States - $953.01 per person = $8.97 billion (FY02)

Most Militaristic (Man Power):
1. China - 375,520,255 (2003 est.)
2. India - 288,251,975 (2003 est.)
3. United States - 73,597,731 (2003 est.)

Most Militaristic (Growth):
... A lot of third-world countries. oOo:

Most tanks:
1.Russia - 21,000 tanks
2.United States - 16,000 tanks
3.China - 11,000 tanks
4.Poland - 3,200 tanks
5.Germany - 2,300 tanks

[Ferich]

Not in any certain order, just my random list of good militaries in the present time.

NATO

Israel

China

South Korea

anzac

[elstatec]

pretty gay topic but id think china, not america
China has numbers but not skilled or good equipment.

thats bull. dont under estimate them. just because they havent been very prominant in any wars doesnt mean they are with poor equipment or mentality

[Tystnad]

I know for a fact that about 10 years or so ago, Sweden could take on any airforce in the world and make it big against them. But now, they are cutting down so dramatically on the military side, that by the year 2007, Sweden will only have around 27 000 troops, compared to the 250 000 or so we have today. All because of the EU. annoy:

[Trunks]

my opinion.

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
4) N. Korea
5) Israel
6) S. Korea
7) Great Britain
8) France
9) Canada
10) India

Note that these are based on lots of factors such as number of tanks, number of men in military, and the economy, because in a time of war, a country needs a strong economy to hold itself together(which is why Russia is second). Oh and shorthand, I completely disagree. Airpower is important, just as naval power is, but the deciding factor will always be ground troops. Of course air superiority is a tremendous advantage, however, there are lots of other factors involved.

[Duke_of_Ray]

my opinion.

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
4) N. Korea
5) Israel
6) S. Korea
7) Great Britain
8) France
9) Canada
10) India

Note that these are based on lots of factors such as number of tanks, number of men in military, and the economy, because in a time of war, a country needs a strong economy to hold itself together(which is why Russia is second). Oh and shorthand, I completely disagree. Airpower is important, just as naval power is, but the deciding factor will always be ground troops. Of course air superiority is a tremendous advantage, however, there are lots of other factors involved.

France should not be on that list. annoy:

With me in the military, the U.S. will be so awesome you will not even want to look at us.

[ninty]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":858bf]
France should not be on that list. annoy:
[/quote:858bf]

stupid:

[Pyro]

Israel shouldn't be allowed to have the army they have imo. If we can say shit about Iraqs power and so on...why should Israel? I guess they like fighting wars as much as their favourite country USA.

[tomxtr]

Israel shouldn't be allowed to have the army they have imo. If we can say shit about Iraqs power and so on...why should Israel? I guess they like fighting wars as much as their favourite country USA.

What is your beef with Israel? Just curious.

[Pyro]

Israel shouldn't be allowed to have the army they have imo. If we can say shit about Iraqs power and so on...why should Israel? I guess they like fighting wars as much as their favourite country USA.

What is your beef with Israel? Just curious.

I just think we praise them here too much, when they were at fault for the palestine-israeli wars as well.

Israel-Palenstine Wars reminds me of this years NHL Lockout.

[Jin-Roh]

I just think we praise them here too much, when they were at fault for the palestine-israeli wars as well.

Israel-Palenstine Wars reminds me of this years NHL Lockout.

They buy stuff from us, and they are mostly Jewish. America = rich, Jews = rich, what a solid, concrete alliance.

[Unknown_Sniper]

not to mention their airforce can spank most otehr countries 10 times as large as israel. I have no clue what the top 10 militaries are, But Ill bet most of them are in the news right now for being in continued fighting. and then of course a couple more being all quiet and waiting for the right moment( me looks to the north) the_finger:

[Maplegyver]

there is really no right momment for war.

[Jin-Roh]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":915a5]not to mention their airforce can spank most otehr countries 10 times as large as israel.[/quote:915a5]


Yes, top airforcesesses:
1. US
2. Israel
3. Russia

[Jin-Roh]

http://cricriweb.free.fr/t/Top%20gun.jpg

No. -1

[Maplegyver]

bomb me

[Jin-Roh]

bomb me

Happy Valentinos day maple. beer:

[Trunks]

Israel shouldn't be allowed to have the army they have imo. If we can say shit about Iraqs power and so on...why should Israel? I guess they like fighting wars as much as their favourite country USA.

What is your beef with Israel? Just curious.

I just think we praise them here too much, when they were at fault for the palestine-israeli wars as well.

Israel-Palenstine Wars reminds me of this years NHL Lockout.Pyro, I dont know what sh-t youve been hearing but let me clear things up for you.
1) We arent affraid of powerful/large militaries, we are afraid of WMD's.
2) Israel is our only ally in the middle east so it would do us some good if it were a force to be rackoned with.
3) They werent at fault for any wars. In all the wars faught against Israel, including the conflict with paestinians, (whom I might add blow up themselves, run away, andd use women and children as human shields), Israel was always the one defending, and therefore it has never been the agressor.

[Jin-Roh]

Pyro, I dont know what sh-t youve been hearing but let me clear things up for you.
1) We arent affraid of powerful/large militaries, we are afraid of WMD's.
2) Israel is our only ally in the middle east so it would do us some good if it were a force to be rackoned with.
3) They werent at fault for any wars. In all the wars faught against Israel, including the conflict with paestinians, (whom I might add blow up themselves, run away, andd use women and children as human shields), Israel was always the one defending, and therefore it has never been the agressor.

Feel free to make this into a new thread. Lets have an argument/debate about Israel-Palestine. If you don't, then I will.

[strvs]

Israel was always the one defending, and therefore it has never been the agressor.
Are you sure about this?

Israel only appears to be the defender, because instead of traditional means of war, they sponsor terrorist programs and mass murder within other countries, with their own political interests in mind. Its and easy stunt to pull off when you have the most influental world power backing you up. Who, coincedentally, have committed similar atrocitys in the past, all swept under the rug.

Its obviously an effective tactic, they seem to have you convinced.

Theres more information on this here:
http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... ?t=1005938 (http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1005938)

[Unknown_Sniper]

israel has not always been the defending country. BAck in the day ther ewas a thing called I believe the 7 days war. In this war israel carried out extremely accurate, and devestating attaacks on certain locations throughout hte middle east. Their airforce is to date the only known military power to have ever directly attacked and damged a nuclrear power plant(In egypt) and then taken out all of the sorrounding countries major military strengths. And they even destroyed one US spy ship in the mediteranian becuase they thought it was an attack ship. Why did Israel do this? because Jordan, egypt, and a bunch of the otehr major powers in the 70's were planning and in the pre war stages of a full scale invasion of israel. last I check Israel was still there. that says something about them.

[Jin-Roh]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":8beb5]israel has not always been the defending country. BAck in the day ther ewas a thing called I believe the 7 days war. In this war israel carried out extremely accurate, and devestating attaacks on certain locations throughout hte middle east. Their airforce is to date the only known military power to have ever directly attacked and damged a nuclrear power plant(In egypt) and then taken out all of the sorrounding countries major military strengths. And they even destroyed one US spy ship in the mediteranian becuase they thought it was an attack ship. Why did Israel do this? because Jordan, egypt, and a bunch of the otehr major powers in the 70's were planning and in the pre war stages of a full scale invasion of israel. last I check Israel was still there. that says something about them.[/quote:8beb5]

Who cares... Israel is leet at fighting.

[Maplegyver]

fighting palestinian millita.

[Trunks]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":0c684]israel has not always been the defending country. BAck in the day ther ewas a thing called I believe the 7 days war. In this war israel carried out extremely accurate, and devestating attaacks on certain locations throughout hte middle east. Their airforce is to date the only known military power to have ever directly attacked and damged a nuclrear power plant(In egypt) and then taken out all of the sorrounding countries major military strengths. And they even destroyed one US spy ship in the mediteranian becuase they thought it was an attack ship. Why did Israel do this? because Jordan, egypt, and a bunch of the otehr major powers in the 70's were planning and in the pre war stages of a full scale invasion of israel. last I check Israel was still there. that says something about them.[/quote:0c684]first of all, I am pretty sure it was the 6 day war. Secon of all, in the six day war, as in the yom kippur war, israel was attacked on first and then and only then, it retaliated and won both conflicts. What people dont seem to realize is that israel has the most humanitarian military forces in the world, and people sh-t all over israel all the time for killing "innocent" palestinian civilians, but if somebody said that about the US killing innocent iraqi civilains then that person would be public enemy #1.

strvs- I didnt read the entire article, but I got the gist if it and when I get a chance I will read the entire thing, however, for now I would like to say that all countries do what they need to do in the pursuit of their political interests. That my friend is the bitter truth. As for involvment in the attacks, there are many theories as to how the attacks occured, some include the US itself causing them. So for right now, all this is to me is another theory/rumor.

[strvs]

Aside from the 9/11 claims, almost all of the "false flags" israel have used have been found out. It isnt a "theory" my friend, its fact.

One of the latest incidents:
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/02/fa ... ttack.html (http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/02/fake-rocket-attack.html)

Israel is on no moral high ground. The country practices apartheid and racism, but hides it very well. The extent of this attitude is appaling, to the point that non-jews can't even be buried with jews.

Human rights issues plague the area. Isreal believes that slavery and the buying and selling of human beings is not a criminal offence. Their practices of stealing palestine land is also sickening. Using a 55 year old law to gain control over "unoccupied land", which means, if you leave your farm, you better get back quick, or it's israels land now.

The apartheid wall in the west bank seperates farmers from their land, which is quickly siezed by israel. lets all feel sorry for israel.

I suggest you read into israels atrocitys, and then decide for yourself whether or not they're the "defender"

I certainly dont think the encirclement of East Jerusalem is an act of defense.

[Unknown_Sniper]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":17488]israel has not always been the defending country. BAck in the day ther ewas a thing called I believe the 7 days war. In this war israel carried out extremely accurate, and devestating attaacks on certain locations throughout hte middle east. Their airforce is to date the only known military power to have ever directly attacked and damged a nuclrear power plant(In egypt) and then taken out all of the sorrounding countries major military strengths. And they even destroyed one US spy ship in the mediteranian becuase they thought it was an attack ship. Why did Israel do this? because Jordan, egypt, and a bunch of the otehr major powers in the 70's were planning and in the pre war stages of a full scale invasion of israel. last I check Israel was still there. that says something about them.first of all, I am pretty sure it was the 6 day war. Secon of all, in the six day war, as in the yom kippur war, israel was attacked on first and then and only then, it retaliated and won both conflicts. What people dont seem to realize is that israel has the most humanitarian military forces in the world, and people sh-t all over israel all the time for killing "innocent" palestinian civilians, but if somebody said that about the US killing innocent iraqi civilains then that person would be public enemy #1.
.[/quote:17488]

I didnt exactly have the time ot go find an article about it however than you for correcting my mistake of it being the 6 day war. everything else I said still goes though so I hope you arent trying to attack me in that.

[Trunks]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt, because I have quite a bit of family living there. The bit about slavery is, pure bull sh-t.(not trying to offend you, just calling them as i see them). And i maintain that in all armed conflicts between nations, Israel is always the defender. If you dont believe me, then look it up. And for every time that Israel fakes an attack, I am sure that there are 100 real incidents. Of course I must admit me being a jew and having family there makes me a bit biased, but i dont just come up with the things I say from the top of my head, If I say it I am pretty sure that its true.

[strvs]

how do i make you laugh? you being convinced that israel has never once in history been the agressor makes me think you don't know too much.

Everything i say can be backed up by a source, im just not too keen on searching for a relevant article for everything i say. Give me time, and i can come up with severable reliable sources for everything i have said so far. To simply make this shit up would be ludicrous.

[Merlin122]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt, because I have quite a bit of family living there. The bit about slavery is, pure bull sh-t.(not trying to offend you, just calling them as i see them). And i maintain that in all armed conflicts between nations, Israel is always the defender. If you dont believe me, then look it up. And for every time that Israel fakes an attack, I am sure that there are 100 real incidents. Of course I must admit me being a jew and having family there makes me a bit biased, but i dont just come up with the things I say from the top of my head, If I say it I am pretty sure that its true.


racism is practiced constantly in the U.S. you just don't see it directly. Corporations hide wage gouges from the public easily for africans americans or general minorities. You have a lot to learn, kid.

[Trunks]

im sorry if I offended you. But every since Israel was established in 1948, all the wars it particpated in was only because it was attacked first, and i will prove it. Ah I found it. This site shows all the wars and gives a little bit of info about them. I was a bit off as it seems that israel did attack in some of them, but If you look into the summary of those wars you will see y Israel reacted the way it did.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html
EDIT: Umm, merlin, I was being sarcastic...

[Maplegyver]

1.canada

[strvs]

im sorry if I offended you. But every since Israel was established in 1948, all the wars it particpated in was only because it was attacked first, and i will prove it. Ah I found it. This site shows all the wars and gives a little bit of info about them. I was a bit off as it seems that israel did attack in some of them, but If you look into the summary of those wars you will see y Israel reacted the way it did.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html
EDIT: Umm, merlin, I was being sarcastic...
Why do you think the arab nations attacked with such force? just because? israel got their way into that land through the help of britian, without their help they may have very well started a war to gain land within palestine.

[Trunks]

im sorry if I offended you. But every since Israel was established in 1948, all the wars it particpated in was only because it was attacked first, and i will prove it. Ah I found it. This site shows all the wars and gives a little bit of info about them. I was a bit off as it seems that israel did attack in some of them, but If you look into the summary of those wars you will see y Israel reacted the way it did.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html
EDIT: Umm, merlin, I was being sarcastic...
Why do you think the arab nations attacked with such force? just because?they attacked I am assuming because they have always been enemies with jews etc, and they were very against the jews having their own country, and wanted to bring them down in any way possible. Of course there may be some deeper down reason in there but that is the most probable one.

[strvs]

The jews did nothing to reconsile with the arabs. they knew very well that the arabs disliked them, yet they hastily installed a jewish nation. Now, any fool can see this is probably going to start a war.

[Pyro]

Israel shouldn't be allowed to have the army they have imo. If we can say shit about Iraqs power and so on...why should Israel? I guess they like fighting wars as much as their favourite country USA.

What is your beef with Israel? Just curious.

I just think we praise them here too much, when they were at fault for the palestine-israeli wars as well.

Israel-Palenstine Wars reminds me of this years NHL Lockout.Pyro, I dont know what sh-t youve been hearing but let me clear things up for you.
1) We arent affraid of powerful/large militaries, we are afraid of WMD's.
2) Israel is our only ally in the middle east so it would do us some good if it were a force to be rackoned with.
3) They werent at fault for any wars. In all the wars faught against Israel, including the conflict with paestinians, (whom I might add blow up themselves, run away, andd use women and children as human shields), Israel was always the one defending, and therefore it has never been the agressor.

Then fuck I guess we can consider the American Revolution terrorism then.

[Trunks]

The arabs have always hated them. Y just not make a jewish nation? Well it could have to do with the fact that the jews were almost annihilated off the face of this earth! The jews were given useless desert land, and through hard work and determination they transformed it into an inhabitable place. The arabs were jealous, and that coupled with previous hatred lead them to attack. And pyro, actually, the American Revolution had a huge amount of terrorism. Mainly American militia men and even the regular army using unconventional guerilla style warfare. It all depends on your perspective. In the eyes of the british they were terrorists, but in the eyes of the americans they were heroes and freedom fighters. Same thing for Iraq. In our eyes they are insurgents and rebels, but in their eyes they are holy warriors, and freedom fighters.

[strvs]

That dosent prove me wrong. Who couldnt forsee a jewish-arab war after the inception of israel deep in arab occupied land? really. this could be considered an act of aggression on the jewish part, although it may not be the traditional definition.

[1080jibber]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.

[Trunks]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.that is where u are wrong. I knwo for a fact that israel does no such thing. I have family who live currently and have lived there. The only people who they are taught to hate are the ones who shoot innocent people, and blow themselves up. And strvs I am sure jews forsaw conplications with the neighboring arab countries but i doubt they were expecting a full scale war.

[Maplegyver]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.that is where u are wrong. I knwo for a fact that israel does no such thing. I have family who live currently and have lived there. The only people who they are taught to hate are the ones who shoot innocent people, and blow themselves up.
you sir are a racist.

[Trunks]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.that is where u are wrong. I knwo for a fact that israel does no such thing. I have family who live currently and have lived there. The only people who they are taught to hate are the ones who shoot innocent people, and blow themselves up.
you sir are a racist.how is that? I firmly believe in equality amongst all peoples. Just because I have a certain opinion doesnt make me rascist. Explain yourself.

[Pyro]

the girl I like is jewish and has visited Israel many times. Trust me...Israel is not exactly benevolent.

Jewish people own though...if they don't agree with the country of Israel's government.

[Quze]

[quote:09502]The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal[/quote:09502]

[quote:09502]An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor[/quote:09502]

[quote:09502]Israel invaded with the intent of destroying Arafat's forces. Syria, which maintained a large army in Lebanon, fought Israel and suffered an embarrassing defeat.[/quote:09502]

...Israel always on the defensive?

[Trunks]

[quote:f3f06]The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal[/quote:f3f06]I cant explain away this, but I can defend israel by saying that they were helping out their allies. For some reason when America launches a war, it expects all its allies to help it. but when Israel helps its allies, it is critisized. Nevertheless, I was wrong, and I retract my statment about Israel always being on the defensive.

[quote:f3f06]An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor[/quote:f3f06]
this I cant explain away as it was an act of agression.
[quote:f3f06]Israel invaded with the intent of destroying Arafat's forces. Syria, which maintained a large army in Lebanon, fought Israel and suffered an embarrassing defeat.[/quote:f3f06]
The PLO was constantly doing guerilla style attacks on the israelis. Only after these attacks, and after it was confirmed that they were launching the attacks from Lebanon soil, Israel retaliated by invading and crushing the PLO forces. They syrian army attacked them, and they suffered and embarassing defeat.

[Ferich]

Suez/Sinai War info:

"As part of Egyptian President Nasser's nationalist agenda, he took control of the Suez Canal zone away from the British and French companies which owned it. At the same time, as part of his ongoing struggle with Israel, Egyptian forces blocked the Straits of Tiran, the narrow waterway that is Israel's only outlet to the Red Sea. Israel and Egypt had clashed repeatedly since their 1948 war as Egypt allowed and encouraged groups of Palestinian fighters to attack Israel from Egyptian territory. In response, Israeli forces constantly made cross-border raids in retaliation. Britain and France, both of whom were in the process of losing their centuries-old empires, decided on a strategy straight our of their 19th Century Imperial histories. This plan led to a joint invasion and occupation of the Suez Canal zone by Britain and France. This was meant to reassert control of this vital waterway to the British and French companies stung by Nasser's bold nationalization. At France's suggestion, planning was coordinated with Israel, a fact which all three nations denied for years afterwards. "

http://www.historyguy.com/suez_war_1956.html
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

fyi: Israel was invaded by six arab countries right after the UN named it a country in 1948.

[Trunks]

ah ok, thanks ferich. rock:

[elstatec]

nice links ferich +1

[Jin-Roh]

Israel has too many guns.